This is me sighing
May. 19th, 2008 07:58 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
loony_moonyYou know, I'm seeing all of these meta posts on my flist the last two days regarding the so-called "misogyny in SPN" wank. They're all thoughtful and calm and intriguing. I'm only guessing they're the ones meant to stop the fugly from spreading any further.
So I'm drawing two conclusions, and you may do what you want with them:
1. Get over yourself, fandom. This discussion has been going on pretty much since season 1 of the show. It's not new, it's probably never going to stop being problematic, and I sincerely doubt Kripke intends to settle it. Some people like that about Dean Winchester, and some people loath it. From an objective point of view, I can say that this particular trait of him has even driven people off from watching the show. And other people don't give a crap, because he is a strong, lovable character, and he has issues. Duh, so does everyone. So if you think you're, I dunno, discovering the New World to anyone if you've just announced he likes to say sexually demeaning expletives towards women in the show, well slap on a dreadlocked wig and search for the rum, because you're just about as shocking and profound as Jack Sparrow.
2. Subjectively speaking, people know how I feel about this. I think Supernatural has had female issues since the beginning of the show, wherein it created two "perfect women" and martyred them in the same episode, in the same way. All through the series, female characters haven't stuck. We've seen very well done female characters, and also very badly done ones. None of them actually stayed for more than a season, even the ones with potential. I think that this is unlikely to get any better either, since we've been confirmed that the show is definitely striving to be a Gen one, and Kripke is truly starting to push now towards extremes, as the series struggles with its early adulthood phase. I also have to point out that Dean Winchester, as sexist and misogynist as he sometimes inexcusably is, also has been the mother figure for Sam, and frequently is very obviously desperate for women in his life that aren't there just for quick satisfaction.
That said, I think there are better ways out there to express this in him, and the staunch feminist in me is shrieking bloody murder whenever he calls a woman "skank", "slut" or "bitch". So I pretty much refuse to push this any further, for all of these reasons.
Hmph.
So I'm drawing two conclusions, and you may do what you want with them:
1. Get over yourself, fandom. This discussion has been going on pretty much since season 1 of the show. It's not new, it's probably never going to stop being problematic, and I sincerely doubt Kripke intends to settle it. Some people like that about Dean Winchester, and some people loath it. From an objective point of view, I can say that this particular trait of him has even driven people off from watching the show. And other people don't give a crap, because he is a strong, lovable character, and he has issues. Duh, so does everyone. So if you think you're, I dunno, discovering the New World to anyone if you've just announced he likes to say sexually demeaning expletives towards women in the show, well slap on a dreadlocked wig and search for the rum, because you're just about as shocking and profound as Jack Sparrow.
2. Subjectively speaking, people know how I feel about this. I think Supernatural has had female issues since the beginning of the show, wherein it created two "perfect women" and martyred them in the same episode, in the same way. All through the series, female characters haven't stuck. We've seen very well done female characters, and also very badly done ones. None of them actually stayed for more than a season, even the ones with potential. I think that this is unlikely to get any better either, since we've been confirmed that the show is definitely striving to be a Gen one, and Kripke is truly starting to push now towards extremes, as the series struggles with its early adulthood phase. I also have to point out that Dean Winchester, as sexist and misogynist as he sometimes inexcusably is, also has been the mother figure for Sam, and frequently is very obviously desperate for women in his life that aren't there just for quick satisfaction.
That said, I think there are better ways out there to express this in him, and the staunch feminist in me is shrieking bloody murder whenever he calls a woman "skank", "slut" or "bitch". So I pretty much refuse to push this any further, for all of these reasons.
Hmph.
